Must Love Movies is a podcast series in which Spling interviews a special guest. Centred around their top 10 movies, Spling selects one of their favourite films to screen and then finds out more about what they do, the films they rate tops and which movie memories they hold dear with a few movie games thrown into the mix. It’s a fun, nostalgic and passionate podcast about what movies define us, how they entertain us and a celebration of the silver screen.
Our special guest for the very first Must Love Movies show is warm, down-to-earth and inspirational producer, screenwriter and novelist Stefan Enslin. Take a listen to what went down.
Our venue for the podcast series is the luxurious and spectacular 5-star 12 Apostles Hotel. Meeting for a coffee in the fully-kitted screening room, popcorn and candy sets the tone for a special private screening, followed by an intimate interview and a 3-course lunch at the majestic Azure restaurant. It’s a chance for Must Love Movies guests to revel in their love of film, talk about their absolute favourites and do it in style!
TRANSCRIPT, VISUALS AND MOVIE TRAILERS
Spling: Welcome to Must Love Movies with Spling, a podcast where we celebrate everything to do with film. We are coming to you from the stellar 12 Apostles Hotel, our special guest is none other than producer, screenwriter and novelist, Stefan Enslin. Great to have you on the show Stefan.
Stefan: Lekker to be here, thanks Spling.
Spling: Such an amazing place, have you been to the 12 Apostles before?
Stefan: I haven’t actually, no, the first time here and the view is spectacular. When I parked this morning I just took a few minutes and just looked over the ocean and it’s a beautiful day outside so…
Spling: You can see why Die Silwerskermfees has their thing in Camps Bay…
Stefan: Ja, it brings back such great memories every single year going to Die Silwerskermfees.
Spling: It’s like a bit of Miami…
Stefan: It is actually ja, no definitely.
Spling: You’ve produced a number of films, what exactly does a producer do?
Stefan: You know I get asked that question a lot and if you know a little bit about my background then, before I got into the film business I was actually a town and regional planner. So I always use this analogy to describe what a producer does…
If you are a developer, you go out, you look for a piece of land and you see potential on that land. Maybe you can build a mall, maybe you can build houses and then what you do is you go and find an architect and explain your vision to them. You are responsible for getting the whole team together, in the end you have a building and that’s pretty much what a producer does. You go out, you find a script, you get a director, you work with the director, you get a whole bunch of people together, the crew and you make a film. Then in the end you’re the proud owner of that film, and that’s in a nutshell the best description of what a producer does.
Spling: Yeah, I saw you were in the UK for 10 years and then you made such a dramatic shift into the film industry…
Stefan: I always wanted to become a filmmaker, so when I was still at school… a little boy I always dreamed of becoming a filmmaker one day. We had a big Sony camcorder and I would write scripts during school time and then come holiday time, I would gather all my friends and my little brother’s friends and they would act in my films.
When I finished school, my parents and I had a discussion about what I’m going to study and I said I want to study drama and they said there’s no future in the film business. It might be best if you go and get a degree where you can actually earn a decent living and I had to come up with a new dream if you like.
So I first enrolled for theology. A couple of months in I realised I don’t think I’ve been called to be a preacher, so I switched over to architecture… a year later I thought no, that’s not what I want to do. I considered graphic design and I was like, no – that’s not what I want to do. I enrolled for town and regional planning… two years into that I thought, no – that’s not really what I want to do and my dad said, just finish what you’ve started.
So I finished town and regional planning. I thought because I don’t want to be a town planner maybe I would love to teach because I want to teach children to live your dreams. So I became a teacher that lasted only a couple of months, so I thought no – I’m definitely not a teacher. I went to the UK and I worked as a town and regional planner but because I desperately wanted to get into movies, I started a website in the UK where you can go onto my site and almost do a price comparison and find whatever DVD looking you’re for and then go directly to one of these retailers through my site and that’s how I got back into the film business. And then in 2008 I decided no, I really don’t want to be a town planner, I can’t imagine getting to the age of 90 one day and think to myself… I wonder if, if I made that leap of faith…
Spling: Follow that dream…
Stefan: Exactly… what would have happened? I don’t want to live with that regret when I’m old. So I said to my wife, I’m just going to do it. So I enrolled for a course in screenwriting, came back to South Africa and I qualified as a screenwriter in 2011, worked as an intern for production houses until I finally became a producer and screenwriter.
Spling: Speaking of screenwriting, you’ve actually written a couple of screenplays and two novels?
Stefan: Yeah, the third novel I’ve just finished, that should hit the shelves in 2021.
Spling: Does it come naturally to you?
Stefan: You know what, the three novels I’ve written, so the first one is Verskietende Ster. So the story behind Shooting Star is that was always a story I had in the back of my mind. It’s inspired by true events, not based on true events, so inspired and I first wrote a screenplay. This was in 2011 and then I sent that… because I wasn’t a producer, I was trying to get into the industry and still working as an intern. I sent it around onto a couple of producers and everyone came back and said there’s some potential in it, but it’s maybe not the story for us.
There was one producer who came back and they said we absolutely love this, but I said I want to produce with them and they said no we would much rather buy the rights from you. And I was like, that’s not what I want to do. I really want to produce as well. So in the end nothing came of that and I thought I worked so hard on this story, I don’t want to let it die.
So I know I’m not a novelist but maybe if I try write a novel, maybe something can come of this. So I wrote a novel and sent it to a couple of publishers and two publishers came back and said ja, they definitely want to publish this, but one came back with an agreement. So I signed an agreement, they publish this novel, it became a bestseller and then a few of these producers came back and they said listen, let’s talk again.
Stefan: That’s basically how the story happened, so I didn’t plan on becoming a novelist at all, it just so happened. The second novel which is called Tweede Kans, it was published 2018. It’s also a story that was a screenplay, then at some point I thought maybe it’s because it’s a love story very much like The Notebook, I thought I’d much rather try my hand at writing a novel again and then maybe one day I’ll make a movie. I just want to write this novel and see where it goes.
And then the third novel, I just finished, but that’s also story when I was probably around the age of 20 when I had the story and nothing ever came of it and then last year I thought let’s just give it a go… let’s just write a novel. If you look at screenplays and a novel it’s two different disciplines altogether, it’s got its own challenges.
Spling: What I do love about a novel is that you have complete creative control, you’re like the director, the screenwriter, everything. So you can totally paint your own world you don’t need an entire crew to help, so that’s the beauty of novels, your imagination’s let free, you are building a world for your characters to exist in and you also aren’t being told “look, it’s not going to be quite right for this audience” or whatever, I mean obviously you want it to be a product that will sell at the end of the day but you’re also encapsulating your movie idea that could eventually become an adaptation
Stefan: I think the nice thing about writing a novel is that you can actually get into the character’s head, you can get into their thoughts. The way I know that I’m writing characters that really resonate and really talk to me is if I’m trying to push them in a certain direction and they are saying listen, we don’t go here and I say listen, who is the writer here?
Spling: Really alive…
Stefan: You start to push them in a direction and they are just going with the flow but a couple of pages later you realise, oh my goodness they were actually right, we should have taken the other direction.
Spling: That must create quite an interesting tension, actually…
Stefan: It does, and the same that applies to screenwriting and a novel is, you’re not allowed to basically tell the audience what to see or think. You have to show them and in a screenplay it’s much easier because we are working in a visual medium anyway, but in the novel it’s the same. I can’t say for instance, Spling is angry, I have to basically write… he opens the door, he slams it, his face furious. And you’re like, oh he’s angry. So I’ve just shown you he’s angry, I haven’t told you.
Spling: And, which of your films are you most proud of?
Stefan: I was asked this question last year during an interview and it’s like they are all my babies. It’s like my two daughters you know, I love them both, so it’s always difficult to choose but one that I’m really proud of… I would probably say it’s Strikdas just because it was my first feature film, my first film that I produced and I was a co-writer on.
During production, there are so many memories where I’m like I had to pinch myself. Is this really true? Is this happening? Sitting in the cinema, watching people laugh and enjoying the film. That’s probably why I’m really proud… although I’m proud of all of my films.
Spling: Now onto your top 10 movies… we’re going to do this in the style of movie critic trailer quotes. You know how those trailers run and then you see “EXHILARATING” or whatever it is. I’m going to say the movie title, you’ve submitted them to me, and you’re going to give me your one-liner… so here goes, at number one, One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest…
Stefan: One of the best films of all-time.
Spling: At number two, we have Dances with Wolves.
Stefan: Sweeping, thoughtful and carefully observed epic.
Spling: At three, Schindler’s List…
Stefan: Steven Spielberg’s greatest movie hands down.
Spling: At number four, The Shawshank Redemption.
Stefan: A tour de force that will teach you not to be swamped by sorrow.
Spling: At number five, Braveheart…
Stefan: A film with incredible heart.
Spling: At number six, Forrest Gump…
Stefan: Fresh and emotionally honest.
Spling: At number seven, The Green Mile.
Stefan: Inspiring, touching and emotional.
Spling: At eight, Rocky…
Stefan: A knockout performance by Stallone.
Spling: At nine, Million Dollar Baby…
Stefan: Eastwood and Swank deserve all the credit they received.
Spling: And finally at number 10, The Social Network…
Stefan: A masterclass in screenwriting.
Spling: Now I’ve picked one of your top 10 films to screen today, here it is…
*The Social Network movie*
Spling: So what did you think?
Stefan: I’ve watched this film so many times and every time I watch this it’s like the quickest two hours of my life. I absolutely, absolutely love this film. It’s just Aaron Sorkin at his best.
Spling: It’s said that he basically had a nearly three-hour script and decided that instead of cutting it down too much that the characters would just speak a bit quicker. Which actually works for this film.
Stefan: It does.
Spling: I must say that I was listening to it and I was thinking I’d love it if it was slightly slower so I could catch every line. Sometimes I’m just processing and it’s kind of getting a little bit away from me but it definitely informs the characters and creates this weird cutthroat kind of environment.
Stefan: It does, and I think it’s also the fact that the pacing is also trying to show that they had to be the first to do this.
Spling: The pioneers…
Stefan: They had to be the pioneers because obviously the Winkelvoss’s were also trying to do this, so Mark Zuckerberg and Eduardo Severin they were all trying to speed things up so they could be the first and I think that’s for most things in life, it’s always the first and you get all the recognition and credit. I wonder and this is something I don’t know how long it took Aaron Sorkin to write this, it couldn’t have been easy because he had to try and show you where it all started but at the same time when the film was released, Facebook was already a couple of years old, and during that couple of years maybe I think it was six or seven years old, so much has happened. He had to show what happened in between because nothing was all sunlight and roses. I would love to spend the whole day with Aaron Sorkin and just try to get into his mind because his dialogue just keeps flowing and it’s entertaining
Spling: Yeah he’s trying to balance the historical, the biographical and keep you entertained at the same time and have some level of integrity in terms of the emotions the characters are feeling and hold all of that up… it’s incredible. Do you feel it holds up?
Stefan: Ja, it has been a few years and looking back at Facebook now… when this movie was released Facebook had 500 million users and now they have over 2 billion and it’s such a massive platform and I think because so many people are actively using Facebook, you want to see where it all started and it would also be interesting to know what Mark Zuckerberg… he wanted nothing to do with it and he was saying it’s not accurate at all, but I don’t know.
Spling: It doesn’t put him in a very good light.
Stefan: No, but I think that’s the thing.
Spling: I think one of the things that has changed about it is I don’t think Facebook is quite as cool as they would want you to believe these days. I think it’s lost that edge and with all the advertising that’s coming obviously, that has actually been something of a self-fulfilling prophecy for these guys. They’re still making loads of money but I just feel that it has kind of aged quite a lot since this film. Did anything come through a bit more this time, I don’t know how many times you watched, probably like 10?
Stefan: So what I picked up today and it’s probably the first time and maybe I’m making this way too deep is at the Caribbean party when Mark said to Eduardo let’s go stand outside and Eduardo said “why” because it’s freezing outside. He said listen because I can’t stand looking at the loop of the Niagara Falls that’s got absolutely nothing to do with the Caribbean.
The dialogue outside, Mark Zuckerberg was saying he was referencing when he started the blog or Facemash he compared the girls to the farm animals. What he’s basically trying to say with that Caribbean and Niagara Falls is… it’s got nothing to do with each other because what we are doing at the moment is, we are changing, we are connecting the right dots now to the right places.
That’s what Facebook is going to do because you don’t have to travel to the Caribbean to that waterfall to find out it’s not the Caribbean, it’s actually the Niagara Falls but Facebook will be able to tell you that through photos that people will post. I love this movie, it will always be one of my top 10.
Spling: Yeah, one of the things that really impressed me this time… I think this is the second time I’ve seen it… is the soundtrack from Trent Reznor and Atticus Ross. I just love how timeless it is on the one hand and how it creates this weird flowing tension in the moments that they do have it running and maybe it was because it was a little bit louder watching it today but it actually had quite a power to it.
I was really impressed with some of those moments, especially when Sean Parker’s character played by Justin Timberlake puts the glasses down on the laptop and you’re thinking liquid on a laptop, that’s gotta be trouble and then at the door you’ve got Eduardo Severin who’s standing in the rain and Mark Zuckerberg hasn’t picked up.
So I just loved how they really brought that soundtrack into it. One of the other things that I noticed that was a little bit irritating actually, was the CGI because often when they’re outside they’ve got that sort of mist coming from their mouths and it just, I don’t know, it just didn’t quite work for me.
Stefan: Today and maybe it’s just because I’ve watched this on a bigger screen now again for the first time after I saw it on the big screen way back, I also picked up on the CGI today where the mist coming out of the mouths, it’s like “ah man”. Maybe back then I didn’t even pick up on and it, it was just CGI wasn’t as big then as it is today and now you can see thanks to movies like the Avengers and that is really pushing the envelope when it comes to CGI.
Spling: What is brilliant in this film though is the way they’ve done the Winkelvoss’s twin because in each of those scenes there’s another actor that’s actually playing the twin, I think it’s Tyler.
Stefan: If you look at the making of, then I think it is Tyler but in some instances they even swap that as well. It’s an actor called Josh Pence so he was always playing the other one and then in post-production they obviously used Armie Hammer’s face but Josh Pence does make his appearance in one of the scenes in the bathroom where…
Spling: Just to show his face.
Stefan: Yeah, just to show his face.
Spling: It’s fascinating what they’re doing now and in the past you wouldn’t expect that from this kind of drama and now CGI, I love it when they do it for the smaller stuff but get away with it, rather than the big car chases and action sequences.
Stefan: Ja, I think that it’s also credit to David Fincher, I imagine it must be a nightmare to work with him as well because he’s one of those directors that likes to do a whole lot of takes. Even if you look at the making of The Social Network, the scene where the guy foefie-slides from the roof into the swimming pool and the chimney explodes, they had to rebuild that chimney so many times and redo that over and over, and even the scene where Eduardo smashes the computer you can see in the making of all those computers on the ground that’s been smashed.
Spling: They’ve been smashed.
Stefan: Loads of them!
Spling: Crazy… So what we’re going to do now is a little bit of movie trivia and the way it’s going to work is I’ve taken your top 10 films and I’ve selected one bit of movie trivia from each of them and what I’d like you to do is to try and guess, after I’ve read the bit of trivia, which movie I’m talking about. Ready?
Spling: Let’s do this… This actress was so disturbed by her own performance that she couldn’t watch the film for years.
Stefan: One Flew over the Cuckoo’s Nest
Spling: Stephen King called this film the single most faithful adaptation of his work.
Stefan: The Green Mile
Spling: The single most expensive cost on this film was make up.
Spling: No, that one was Rocky.
Spling: Amazing hey.
Stefan: Oh my word.
Spling: And also for that kind of era of machismo and everything.
Spling: This film was selected by the Library of Congress for preservation in the National Film Registry a being culturally, historically or aesthetically significant.
Stefan: Schindler’s List
Spling: This one’s Forrest Gump. At age 74, he became the oldest best director Oscar winner for this movie.
Stefan: Million Dollar Baby
Spling: Spot on. The director refuses to autograph any materials related to this film.
Stefan: Mmm… Schindler’s List.
Spling: That’s it, okay next one. Daniel Day-Lewis, Liam Neeson, Christopher Lambert, Jeff Bridges and Robin Williams were considered to play the lead in this movie.
Stefan: The Shawshank Redemption?
Spling: This one’s crazy, Braveheart. Imagine Robin Williams taking on the role of William Wallace?
Stefan: Oh no, I can’t even imagine.
Spling: It’s insane, Jeff Bridges as well I mean they’re both kind of more comedic…
Stefan: Maybe even Daniel Day Lewis…
Spling: Yeah and Liam Neeson would have done quite well with Rob Roy, he had already done something. Okay next one, this film was deemed to be a box office failure.
Stefan: Dances with Wolves?
Spling: No, can you believe that the film that is rated as the best film of all-time on IMDb is a film that actually only made $10 million in its first run and I think it totalled about $18 million after the Oscars had come through and now it’s regarded as the best film of all-time, they have the excuse of The Shawshank Redemption… how are you going to market that kind of film, even the title, it just sounds like what is that?
Spling: Okay next one, the first cut of this film ended up being 5 1/2 hours long.
Stefan: That’s Dances with Wolves.
Spling: Absolutely, you’ve got quite a lot of long running time films in your collection so that one could have almost been any of them.
Stefan: I mean, it’s still three hours long anyway…
Spling: Yeah, I mean that’s take out two hours, imagine the director’s cut on that.
Stefan: Oh my word.
Spling: So now getting a little bit more nostalgic, what do you love most about movies?
Stefan: It’s a form of escape, I can go and sit and look at people and it transports you to a world that’s just so fascinating. You don’t have to think about what’s happening around you, just gives you that freedom… it’s probably more like a stress relief but it also shows you that whatever you can dream you can actually put on screen. I always try and learn something when I watch a movie. I don’t just watch it and in the end, I’m like oh wow, that’s a great movie, I’m always thinking, what made that a great film?
Spling: Active participation.
Stefan: Exactly. My computer is just filled with screenplays, so whenever I like a movie I go back and see if I can find the screenplay and then I read the screenplay…
Spling: That’s one of the best ways to learn.
Stefan: Ja exactly, it’s interesting to see that how I saw it on screen and how I thought the writer would have written it, it’s not always the case. It just shows you the partnership between screenwriter, actors, directors. Sometimes it’s just one line, but the way it’s been played on film is so much bigger, there’s so much more happening.
Spling: I remember reading some of the opening lines to The Green Mile and comparing it with what is actually on screen with the tracker dogs going through the veld, it’s just so accurately and beautifully written that it’s easy for the director to apply that vision.
Stefan: I think what helped in this instance is that, speaking about The Green Mile, is the fact that Frank Darabont was also the director and the writer.
Spling: If you could watch any film for the first time again, which would it be?
Stefan: I think if I could watch any film for the first time again, it’s not one that’s on my top 10 list but it’s Jurassic Park because that was my very first film I ever watched on the big screen. It was in Margate, Kwazulu-Natal, it was a rainy day, we were on holiday there, my parents dropped myself and my two brothers off at the cinema so we were going to watch Jurassic Park.
In the scene where Sam Neill and Laura Dern and Richard Attenborough they came closer, they saw the dinosaurs for the very first time. Stephen Spielberg took his time, he focused on the actors and their reaction so you as an audience can’t see what they are seeing and I thought to myself they’re never going to show the dinosaurs because dinosaurs don’t exist anymore so it’s all the imagination and then all of a sudden they reveal these dinosaurs. I was like wow, I can’t believe… where did they find these dinosaurs because I was still about 12 years old.
Spling: And they looked so real!
Stefan: They looked so so real and it was fascinating. That movie stayed with me so many years. I’ve also watched it so many times but I think that’s a special memory and I want to relive that just to remind me that anything is possible. I mean it also took them a couple of years to make Jurassic Park.
Spling: So which movie have you watched the most times and what makes it so re-watchable?
Stefan: Again, this is not on my top 10 list… it’s The Family Man. There’s just so much I can learn from that character. It’s also showing you the importance of an opening image and a closing image… but just Nicolas Cage’s character where he was and where he ended up, it all happened in a dream where he realised that what he’s chasing is not going to bring fulfillment at all and the things that he thought might not bring fulfillment that’s actually the things that made him rich. So I’ve watched that so many times, I can even recite the dialogue. But there’s something that will always be in the back of my mind, thinking, if Brett Ratner didn’t direct that film maybe maybe… it could have gone on to win some Oscars.
Spling: The way it’s framed and I’m just speaking from what I’ve seen about the movie because I haven’t seen it myself but now that you said you watched it so many times I’m quite keen to see it now but does it feel like it’s trying to be the next generation’s It’s a Wonderful Life? There’s like a feeling that it has a moralistic, fantasy element to it?
Stefan: There’s definitely that fantasy element to it and Brett Ratner is more of an action kind of director and I think the look and feel just doesn’t always come across…
Spling: Maybe a bit too slick?
Stefan: Exactly, it’s way too slick and that script has been doing the rounds in Hollywood for many years before Brett Ratner had directed it. It was one of those scripts that every single producer tried to get – it was just that brilliant. If you read the screenplay now before you watch the film you can see why they thought that it’s just brilliant. I wish some director could just go back and remake this film. But I still love it, there’s a lot of heart and soul in that anyway.
Spling: It really resonates with you… I know you spoke about the Jurassic Park moment, what other memory would really be quite special to you?
Stefan: Home Alone, I’m a massive Chris Columbus fan, I follow him on social media as well. He posted something… he’s smoking a cigar and he said okay everybody I’m back, and there was actually someone who commented and said listen, you messed up Percy Jackson, you just ruined everything… and Chris Columbus replied and said, looking forward to your creative endeavours.
Stefan: Yeah it was just a classic, but Home Alone it’s one of those first movies… someone told me about it. There’s this movie that’s on the cinema now, we lived in a very very small town, there were no cinemas nearby, no DVD shops and they told me about this movie where this nine-year-old or seven-year-old kid got left behind and then he had to defend the house against two burglars but it’s hilarious and I was like, how can that be hilarious? It was just so amazing, I really loved it and there are four films that I always watch before Christmas each year. It’s Home Alone one and two, it’s Elf with Will Ferrell and it’s The Family Man.
Spling: Yeah, that Home Alone story is quite an interesting one because the budget wasn’t very big but they did so much with so little and it had so much heart and to me it’s almost like a family-friendly version of Straw Dogs. It’s just got such a wonderful madcap kind of comic, cartoon sensibility about it and McCauley Culkin, a child star in the making there…
Stefan: Exactly… and the interesting thing about Home Alone is that Chris Columbus was actually directing National Lampoon’s but he and Chevy Chase just couldn’t get along and John Hughes was the writer and producer for Home Alone and National Lampoon’s. He said to Chris Columbus or Chris Columbus said to him, listen I just can’t do this – we’re going to kill each other.
John Hughes felt so bad he offered him two scripts, which was Home Alone and I can’t remember the other one. Chris Columbus said I love Home Alone and John Hughes said why don’t you direct that one for me and I’ll continue with National Lampoon’s. So Chris Columbus directed Home Alone, and the house because it was just way too expensive to find this perfect house, they rented a nearby school and in the school hall they built the entire inside of this house. So the house you see with Macaulay Culkin that’s actually a set built in a school hall.
Spling: Incredible. And that’s probably how they got the sort of Christmassy colour scheme together with the reds and the greens…
Spling: Talking about it, I feel I really need to make a point of seeing it again. If you could own a movie prop from any film what would it be?
Stefan: If I had to choose something it might be the bicycle bell on The Family Man. Because that bell every time it rings, it triggers something in Nicolas Cage’s mind and I would just love to have that bell and maybe just ring it a couple of times during the day.
Spling: As a reminder?
Stefan: Just as a reminder… just keep your focus.
Spling: Helps you realign your thoughts…
Spling: …and focus on what matters. Awesome – so we going onto the next part of this interview, which is all kind of crazy. So this part is called ‘Gone in 60 Seconds’ and what we’re going to do is… Stefan has brought a number of movie titles, I’m going to try and describe as many of these movie titles to Stefan and he has to guess which one I’m talking about in the space of 60 seconds so here we go. Okay, it’s Jim Carrey and he’s on a mission to look for as many people’s…
Stefan: Ace Ventura: Pet Detective
Spling: This one is with Tom Cruise, it’s all about the money… Cuba Gooding Jr.
Stefan: Jerry Maguire
Spling: This one is with a massive shark…
Spling: Then, “I see dead people”.
Stefan: Ah, The Sixth Sense
Spling: Bruce Willis. This one’s all about getting rid of spirits in people’s homes with a team of… “Who you gonna call?”
Stefan: Oh, Ghostbusters.
Spling: Jack and Rose in a massive ship…
Spling: Then, “I’ll have what she’s having” with Meg Ryan and Billy Crystal.
Stefan: When Harry Met Sally
Spling: “I’ll be back…”
Stefan: The Terminator
Spling: Okay this one’s with a wood chipper and an icy wonderland with Frances McDormand.
Spling: Awesome, so that brings us to the end of the interview and I hope you enjoyed it.
Stefan: I did, it was fun.
Spling: As part of this Must Love Movies podcast we like to give our guests something to take home with them, so here is a special little SPL!NG mug.
Stefan: Ah thanks Spling, this is… wasn’t necessary, but thank you so much… a nice reminder of this incredible day. I love being part of the podcast.
Spling: Awesome, great to have you here, where can people find out more information about you and all the amazing films you are involved with.
Spling: Great having you on the show.
Stefan: Thank you, it was an honour, thank you so much.